Tables vs CSS

[+r.Jung]

I'm not sure if you guys are into web developing, but I have a question.

Why don't we use tables in layouts any more? i.e. forums use tables, but why are they so frowned upon? I mean computers these days became faster so can't they load web pages faster if you have an average internet connection?

I mean with tables
1) You can make easier layout
2) make a site look nice (This forum uses tables and the site still looks nice)

I just had to really think about this after reading http://www.flownet.com/ron/css-rant.html

[BlackChaos]

Exactly. I don't understand whats so wrong about tables. They're neat, clean and keep your stuff in nicely. Simple as that.
CSS can be cumbersome at times and leads to long chains of code in which just one mistake can render your page useless.

[Lordanem]

I just finished my web dev course and we just covered this lol

Yes i agree tables are for layout but if you want a more customiseable layout you can use css.
When i make a website i think of something
Plan a layout
Get or make images
And build a site with the images

[+r.Jung]

(05-08-2012 09:47 AM)-God Wrote:  I just finished my web dev course and we just covered this lol

Yes i agree tables are for layout but if you want a more customiseable layout you can use css.
When i make a website i think of something
Plan a layout
Get or make images
And build a site with the images

I hate working with images when you can make them with CSS it's very inefficient and images actually DO take time to load because of their size.

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(05-08-2012 08:24 AM)BlackChaos Wrote:  Exactly. I don't understand whats so wrong about tables. They're neat, clean and keep your stuff in nicely. Simple as that.
CSS can be cumbersome at times and leads to long chains of code in which just one mistake can render your page useless.

actually I've asked around and this is talking about CSS1 not CSS2 and CSS3.
because in CSS2/3 you can emulate table based layout with the CSS table display items, which has all the benefits of using CSS and tables, without the downsides of crapping up your HTML code and allowing easy layout changes (multicolumn layout with headers and footers are super easy with it, etc.)

[Lordanem]

(05-08-2012 01:40 PM)jung3o Wrote:  I hate working with images when you can make them with CSS it's very inefficient and images actually DO take time to load because of their size.

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ikr i sometimes use images, sometimes i dont
it just depends what i wanna do and how much time i have :P

[Ace]

Nothing wrong with Tables, they have their purpose.

[+r.Jung]

(05-08-2012 06:02 PM)Ace Wrote:  Nothing wrong with Tables, they have their purpose.

Tables should be used for tabular data instead of design and layout. CSS now can do those stuff for you.

[JovanJ.]

Sometimes i use tables to make concept of site, to separate some sections. But CSS is something mainly.

[+r.Jung]

(05-09-2012 12:22 AM)JovanJ. Wrote:  Sometimes i use tables to make concept of site, to separate some sections. But CSS is something mainly.

I recommend use Photoshop instead to make the concept because then you don't have to worry about typing the codes and errors and such.

[JovanJ.]

You didn't get it what i want to say, and i little complicated my post :) I want to say i separate site with tables like here. For example header is one table, footer another etc etc.